Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Carman’s “A Little Bit More Conviction” as Guilt Rock (IT'S BACK...)



I originally posted this some years ago, after writing it for the "Guilty Pleasures" edition of the EMP Pop Music Conference. In the weird way things happen on the Internet, it soon evolved into what I assume was the world's largest message board about Carman's love life, with thousands of messages and no input from me. (Hate to add to nu-Idolator's hit count, but Dan Gibson preserved a little of it here.) I took it down a couple months ago, since it had turned into an outlet for people to be mean to one another. But it still reads pretty good (like mah girl cousin whose a teacher!), so I'm bringin' it back. Besides, it was a real golden goose for my blog traffic.

JUST KEEP IT CLEAN, CHILDREN! HE'S A REAL LIVE DUDE!


First, an invocation: “I’m telling you something’s wrong when the holiness don’t belong in living day to day, cos it ain’t fun! I wanna see me a godly man who’s not afraid to stand for what looks right! I wanna see me some--A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVICTION!”

Now, an accusation: the author of those words, Mr. Carman Licciardello, is a fundamentalist nutcase. He’s a flamboyant showman, merchandising huckster, author of romance novels and devotionals, and stager of the largest Christian concert (71,000 people) in history. Like all your favorite fundamentalists, he prefers things like Messages and Truth to Art, both when he’s reading the Bible and when he’s making his music. But somehow--and this is what I love about music--from this carnival barker springs the best pop song of 1985, “A Little Bit More Conviction,” from the album The Champion.



The song’s an ultraconservative jeremiad against what we Christians like to call “backsliders,” folks whose upright walk with the Lord has slid into a morass of temptation and sin. The song’s lyrics are barely articulate, its worldview absurdly uptight, its idea of what constitutes “sin” hopelessly square. How on earth can this song be so good?

To answer that, some justification. I currently value art that, above all else, communicates directly. In fact, I want art to communicate so directly that the concepts of “art” and “communication” fall to the side, and all that’s left is me and the work, whether words or performance or music or whatever. I don’t necessarily demand that the work speak clearly--any number of nitwit singer-songwriters can do that--but that it work some chemical change on me, get inside my mind, so that the work and I can chat with one another, confer back and forth, argue violently and come to blows if it seems like the thing to do. (If you’ve hung out with Ennis Del Mar in the movie of Brokeback Mountain or Nathan Zuckerman by way of Philip Roth, you may see what I mean.) Why would I merely wanna sit back and appreciate a piece of music, as though sagely and solemnly sucking on a pipe in my den, when there exists a different piece of music I can really interact with? This aesthetic criterion is nothing new and I don’t claim to be making Great Strides For Art here. I don’t even claim that this is the best way to evaluate art, or the only good way to live with it. I just wanted to let you know where I’m coming from before I start going on about Carman and this song of his, “A Little Bit More Conviction.”

So how can this song be good? The answer is partly instrumental--this song totally rocks. The drums slam, the rhythm guitar is evil, and the background vocals provide an eerie momentum, as though urging the persevering listener up through several levels of hell. Special credit goes to producer/keyboardist Keith Thomas, who would later produce the Amy Grant color-explosions “Baby Baby” and “Good For Me.” Here, his thundering keyboard riff and arpeggios echo the Rocky-ish triumphalism of the Champion album’s title song, which depicts the ultimate boxing match between Jesus and Satan. (That song could probably justify its own guilty pleasure conference.) Structurally, Thomas uses these individual components to build a precise, calculated, yet almost violent backdrop to Carman’s proclamations.

While unquestionably rock, the song shares little with other rock from 1985. It’s not guitar-saturated like the Replacements, Husker Du, or John Mellencamp; it’s not loose and jammy like the Mekons, the Fall, or Tom Waits. If anything, “A Little Bit More Conviction” most closely resembles the reduced-and-rockin’ ‘85 rap records from Run-DMC and LL Cool J. Like those, this song succeeds largely on the strength of its lead vocal, which can best be described as hard. Check out Carman’s growl when he gets to the second verse, “I saw two brothers go…” His persona here is a furious street preacher, so angered by the behavior of his Christian brothers and sisters that he hardly has time to form a cogent thought on the subject. Let’s listen.

[play the song]

So why do I like this song? Well, remember what I said earlier about directness. Carman works on me with this song. He doesn’t work on me rhetorically or morally; that is, I don’t really care what he tells me not to do, and I haven’t given his moral judgments the time of day for many years. Rather, his rhetoric creates a coherent persona that works on me aesthetically and, well, personally. When I listen to this song, I meet--as truly as I’m meeting people at this conference--a fascinating street preacher. I want to listen to him talk; I admire his cadence and the fluidity of his language; I like that, when he says “sexy movie show,” he’s refreshingly oblivious to any contemporary vernacular, even by 1985 standards. I like how the street preacher is against kids playing in the street, and how we don’t know exactly what he means by that: is he against gangs, or skipping family devotions, or kids getting hit by cars? Or is he just reaching back to some mythical golden age before the invention of TV? But didn’t children always play in the street back then? See, I really enjoy spending time with this incoherent bastard.

Since my enjoyment of this character is, admittedly, a little smug--essential to what I like about him is all the stuff he gets wrong--I can’t help but wonder how much he’d appreciate my appreciation. Because, let’s face it, the street preacher wants to evangelize me. Me!--a generally upright Christian guy who nonetheless drinks, dances, wishes his wife let him smoke, loves the “sexy movie show” Brokeback Mountain, and lets his seven-month-old son play in the street--this song, this guy wants me to set a better example! But do I listen? No; I’m back sagely sucking on my pipe in the den, or maybe just smiling and nodding during some meet-and-greet, appreciating the way the flamboyant preacher forces his agenda without actually heeding the Word he’s handing down.

Carman’s own extra-musical statements just make me feel more like an ass. As it turns out, Carman circa 1985 cared far more about his moral impact than his aesthetic impact. He told CCM magazine,

“You know, the fact that people are going to idolize you, the performer, instead of listening to the message you’re giving is unavoidable. It’s an occupational hazard. People come to concerts for all different kinds of reasons. Maybe because they like the way you dress, or the way you hold a certain note [that‘s me!]. When I’m on stage I can sometimes feel the carnal attitude of the people in the audience [that’s not me!], and I know I’ve got to work to turn that around.”

And in the liner notes of his previous album, Carman wrote, “This album is dedicated and carefully constructed to minister to the church by moving the inner man.” Assuming he and Thomas “carefully constructed” “A Little Bit More Conviction” the same way, does that mean the song succeeds or fails? It certainly moves my “inner man,” but only because I admire its construction, not because the construction moves my “inner man” to stop drinking, dancing, and generally setting what Carman thinks is a bad Christian example.

I disagree with Carman on many points, but he does embody a little of what’s best about American Christianity. His songs and writings advocate a personal, loving relationship with a god of grace who, in Carman’s words, “saves, delivers, and heals.” He realizes that Biblical scholarship and polite academic theologizing get you only so far, and so he strives to transform his life, and the lives of his audience, through direct relationship with Jesus. Essentially, he wants from Jesus what I want from art (and Jesus). He comes very close to advocating what Depeche Mode analyzed, a little facilely, as “your own personal Jesus, someone to hear your prayers, someone who cares.” If you’re literary critic Harold Bloom, you refer to this tendency more positively as “American gnosticism.”

Of course, Carman would recoil at being called a gnostic, and he’d be right. Mostly he’s a fundamentalist, what Bloom calls “a parody of gnosticism,” and Carman is more reductive in his scriptural analyses than Depeche Mode could dream of being. It’s one thing to give your love for Jesus priority over your understanding of the Bible; Carman tends to avoid understanding the Bible, lest it not support the beliefs he espouses. He’s got an annoying tendency of justifying sweeping moral statements with isolated Biblical passages that have no business supporting his claims.

For instance, in his book Raising the Standard, Carman proposes, “If you expose your mind and heart to a constant stream of sex, violence and cursing, you will eventually begin to act the same way.” That’s a big, controversial claim, backed up not statistically or anecdotally but psalmically: “David wrote in the psalms, ‘I will walk in my house with blameless heart. I will set before my eyes no vile thing.’ (Psalm 101:2-3).” From this Carman concludes, “The first step to moral purity in your body is to deal with your heart. And one of the first steps to doing that is to make a ‘covenant with your eyes’ (Job 31:1). You have to determine that you will not expose your heart, mind and spirit to those things that are an abomination to the Lord.”

Set aside the question of whether Carman’s proposition--essentially, “garbage in, garbage out”--is true or not. Instead, look at how he uses Hebrew scripture. Though he says, “David wrote in the psalms,” Carman, like many fundamentalists, reads the Bible as One Big Book, Written By God. Carman essentially reads this psalm and Job’s words as words to emulate, commands from great authorities speaking on God’s behalf. Job and David were blameless heroes of faith who recognized this eternal truth: looking at bad stuff leads to a sinful heart and dirty deeds. So if both David and Job advocate keeping your eyes pure--well, doesn’t that prove Carman’s “garbage in, garbage out” claim?

I’m oversimplifying a little--I’m sure Carman knows plenty more than I do about certain aspects of Biblical scholarship. But I do know that’s no way to read the Bible! First of all, Carman’s quotes come from vastly different sources. David’s psalm, while it has its liturgical uses, is the prayer of a 10th century B.C. king striving to get his country in order--a couple verses later he says, “One who secretly slanders a neighbor I will destroy,” and later still, “Morning by morning I will destroy all the wicked in the land,” statements we probably shouldn’t emulate. (Carman, to his credit, does not advocate the killing of gossip folks, or even abortion providers.) Job’s statement, on the other hand, is part of a painful drama that addresses the insolubility of human suffering and manages to make it beautiful. At one point Job insists to his three snarky holy-roller friends that his suffering couldn’t have been caused by anything he did, and as a miniscule fraction of that plea mentions this “covenant” with his eyes. When Carman strips these words of their context and lumps them together, he succeeds only in rendering them meaningless. This sorry excuse for an argument only demonstrates why you read the Bible, but you don’t use it as evidence.

But Carman doesn’t want literature, drama, or imaginative thought from the Bible. He wants theology and morality, and reads every book for its applicable message. Likewise, he constructs his songs to give me an applicable message, a moral force. In doing so--and this is another thing I love about art--the song “A Little Bit More Conviction” gets away from him and garners aesthetic force. Who knows how many authors, in the Christian canon or otherwise, have started writing a moral treatise and ended up turning out art that rewards contemplation?

Ironically, Carman’s very zeal to spread the Word may have helped him out aesthetically. In his desire to turn hearts and minds from backsliding, he accomplished the sort of direct communication that, while not guaranteeing a song’s success, sure as hell sets it on the right path. For fun, consider a statement from Chuck Eddy’s The Accidental Evolution of Rock ‘n‘ Roll. Chuck is analyzing the success of early rock music, which polite academics have been known to criticize for being manipulative, cynically profit-driven, and not proper art:

“Producers screwed around with voices and instruments in the studio until they got a saleable sound… [T]he profit motive made rock better. Short songs, tight arrangements, and gimmicky hooks helped sell records, but also made the music more immediate, and constituted a more vigorous revolt against outmoded urbane standards.”

Compare that to my favorite Britney Spears bitching in a 2003 Rolling Stone: “Anyone can write a boring artistic song. Pop music is the hardest shit to write.” Now apply those statements to Carman. Like early rockers or Britney, Carman’s goal is communication. I’m guessing Carman isn’t motivated by sales like many secular rockers, or by popularity like Britney (I doubt money has been her motivator for a while). Instead, he’s motivated by evangelistic message. Where Rick Rubin or Lieber and Stoller could measure their communicative effectiveness in terms of sales, Carman measures his in terms of souls. And since the stakes are so high, the message better be direct.

So what we’ve got here is not a failure to communicate; I get the message loud and clear, and I just sort of bat it aside. Instead, it’s a completely successful communication of something you often find in great art--an interesting, believable self. I want to leave you with a fun exercise to explore that self. Like Carman’s Bible thumping, this exercise employs texts from two vastly different sources; unlike Carman, you can use the entire texts, along with some total collective unconscious zeitgeist voodoo type shit. Sometime before you die, listen to “A Little Bit More Conviction” again, and immediately chase it with another ’85 tune, Depeche Mode’s “Blasphemous Rumors.” As you listen, pretend both songs have the same street-preacher narrator. Only when Depeche Mode catch up with him, he’s witnessed a teenage girl attempt suicide and find Jesus, only to get hit by a car and wind up dying on life support. Imagine this zealot finally realizing god’s “sick sense of humor,” and you’ll get a sense of the real spiritual usefulness of the Psalms and Job. Plus, you’ll discover a way of enjoying Carman’s tune 100% guilt-free.



JUST THE FACTS
He writes and performs for audiences who pay only a free-will offering to see him, but charges $19.95 for a monthly membership to Carman.org, which gets you access to his family photos, the audio devotional archive, scheduled online chats with the man himself, and discounts at something called the “Megastore.” In the essential Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music, theologian Mark Allan Powell marvels at Carman’s “penchant for over-the-top histrionics, … remarkable aptitude for media manipulation, and…frequent espousal of questionable theology…”, but wryly admits that the guy’s a great entertainer and that “he is considered to be extremely good-looking.”

137 comments:

Peter said...

Welcome to the Gwen blog anyone that has an opinion that takes up for Carman is taken down. Thats called censoring. But yet Gwen can accuse everyone of being Carman, post all sorts of crap against him, pretend she is 15 other names and her post are allowed to stay. I'm outta here I'm not all up into this Hitlerism type of KGB censorship. Believe what you want, your going to anyway, but I am telling you Gwen is a person that wanted to have Carman's baby. End of it.

josh said...

Adios!

Charlean D. said...
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Anonymous said...

Don't rag on Josh, Carman Peter, lol. He's cool. And thanx for calling it 'Gwen's blog', guess you been outranked. No one took up for Carman on here but Peter Pan and In a Gadda de Vada and we know what's the story there, honk honk. Carman can't stop the 'Gwen' harangue, what's his problem already, even though this stuff about has been going on since 2004, way before she got into it recently like last April. Paisano, you can't have her. making fun of her looks really made us crack up. And Charlie, please shut up baby doll. Go look at my old photos from FB and you'll feel better cause I know you saved them, heh heh, and wish you could have studly Joe around.Bet I could cause you to stumble in about two minutes.Tooo bad, already taken. Hey, woman,why's your name in blue like Josh's?
No one else's names are in blue but yours and Josh. Weird.Go ahead, get your court orders. We's a all shakin in our boots, not. You all are like broken records, carman Peter with his 'Gwen' rant, Charlie whose name is so sacred it can't be mentioned on a blog, with her 'gonna get the cops' harping, yow, just posers.PS Charlie, it was PETE, who is really your long lost love Carman, who brought your name into it by posting a link to a wedding song video of yours. He asked if you were singing to him, ROLF. Go read the posts before you start throwing your weight around. You got nothing, nothing at all so stop the threats and you know you dig the attention.And here we go again, everyone wants Carman. Hey paisano,'Gwen' doesn't like kids except OPKs (other people's kids) and if she has anyone's kid, it'll be mine but not likely to happen. She won't ruin her abs, not even for me.Also it would be a miracle like Sarah and Abe. Believe you me, buddy boy Carmanif she really wanted you that bad way back then she woulda landed you no problem. She's reeeled in many a bigger fish, even a Kennedy.She saw you were a flakey fruitccake guy and backed out. I like the midnight calls trick, though. And CarmanPeter shaddap there are other people blogging here you jerk. Me, "Gwen" and 2 others are blogging that we know. Deal with it.

LJP

Anonymous said...

HEY WHAT THE BODANGO? WHERE ARE ALL OF THE POSTS?

SOME OF THOSE HAVE MERIT.

JOSH MY MAN, PUT THEM BACK.

DID SOMEONE THREATEN YOU?

NOT...GWEN OR PAUL OR JOSH OR BIBBE OR VADA OR CARMAN OR ROADIE OR ANY VARIOUS ANONYMOUS'.

SILENT GUY.
BUT INTERESTED

Anonymous said...

Yes Josh, and you didn't print my last post about anhour ago. Hope no one has threatened you. Please put the posts back.

Anonymous said...

The blog makes no sense without all of the previous comments.

Anonymous said...

That lady contacted him threatening court action. She does this all the time, even though she blogs on all the blogs with different fake names. Josh, don't fall for it. She can't do squat. There are so many blogs on the internet where celebs or whoever are talked about and the celebs can;t do squat either. Carman has had to put restraining orders gainst HER. Read WWOC all the way through.

Anonymous said...

That lady contacted him threatening court action. She does this all the time, even though she blogs on all the blogs with different fake names. Josh, don't fall for it. She can't do squat. There are so many blogs on the internet where celebs or whoever are talked about and the celebs can;t do squat either. Carman has had to put restraining orders gainst HER. Read WWOC all the way through.

Anonymous said...

A 'standing order' with the police department? About Carman blogs? Who you trying to kid? No one's following you, you are not in danger except from yourself!!!

Anonymous said...

hey josh, the woman charlean...have you seen her new photo? she calls the 'newest'. OMGSH.
she looks like a real witch. darkness in her eyes and on her face. not a put down...a spiritual warning of sorts.

go to facebook and look at charlean d cole. this post is not the other poster speaking about police stuff.

can you explain why you took down those great posts? especially the ones from vada showing her real colors or at least someone posing as her to defend carman dishonestly?

then the answers were such a relief from whoever is countering her description of his enormous sacrifices.

ask yourself this, if he was so broke all of the time, why did he have a tanning bed brought to his hotel room,or always fly first class, or have david foster, throat clearing here, as his producer for a while. why did he have brand new, state of the art tour bus, semi truck and trailers, staging and lighting systems and a big home with acres in Tenn.

and there is much much much more.

did you erase them or have them stored?

would you explain why you took down the best and most honest posts?

also charlean is one of carman's past 'mentees' she paid him to coach her. she is a very dark person and should not be involved in ministry. highly doubtable that she is being stalked by people connected to carman.

he doesn't want contact from her and she bugs his mom.

please understand not all Christians are like this.
not at all.

there is a form of 'witchcraft' that isn't with tarots or spell books. it's a soul thing, an ill will or desire to dominate another, or lying can be witch-craft. the Bible

describes/defines 'rebellion' as witchcraft. it's a bit complex but not too too deep to never be able to understand the dynamics.

to exert power over others with the intent of controlling them can be witchcraft. but abusive Christians, (yes sadly there are alot of them and God isn't thrilled) will say if you attempt any type of correction or accountability that, that is what you are doing.

he said she said. God knows the realities and fruit proves the tree.

wishing harm or acting or acting like a victim can be a sort of witchcraft too.

really the Bible...Jesus sums it up in this way-to love the Lord your God with ALL your heart mind and soul is the Greatest and First commandment and second is to Love your neighbor as you would yourself.

He is a perfect God with alot of imperfect people in various stages and levels of worship, in relationship with Him. Good thing He is full of grace and is so understanding and forgiving.

He also is not a pollyanna. He is holy and He doesn't want sin to harm either the people doing it or harming others by doing it. who defines sin? He does.

and Jesus said when His disciples asked Him, how many times should we forgive a person for the same sin? Jesus said, 70 X 7 for the same one.

and that mercy is greater than justice or judgment. and then again Jesus is the One Who said, to the chic about to be stoned for adultery..."Go and sin no more, so that a worse thing doesn't happen to you." it's about balance and understanding. and mercy but not forever if you keep doing the same intentional wrong that is well...evil.


thanks.

katrina

Anonymous said...

hey josh, the woman charlean...have you seen her new photo? she calls the 'newest'. OMGSH.
she looks like a real witch. darkness in her eyes and on her face. not a put down...a spiritual warning of sorts.

go to facebook and look at charlean d cole. this post is not the other poster speaking about police stuff.

can you explain why you took down those great posts? especially the ones from vada showing her real colors or at least someone posing as her to defend carman dishonestly?

then the answers were such a relief from whoever is countering her description of his enormous sacrifices.

ask yourself this, if he was so broke all of the time, why did he have a tanning bed brought to his hotel room,or always fly first class, or have david foster, throat clearing here, as his producer for a while. why did he have brand new, state of the art tour bus, semi truck and trailers, staging and lighting systems and a big home with acres in Tenn.

and there is much much much more.

did you erase them or have them stored?

would you explain why you took down the best and most honest posts?

also charlean is one of carman's past 'mentees' she paid him to coach her. she is a very dark person and should not be involved in ministry. highly doubtable that she is being stalked by people connected to carman.

he doesn't want contact from her and she bugs his mom.

please understand not all Christians are like this.
not at all.

there is a form of 'witchcraft' that isn't with tarots or spell books. it's a soul thing, an ill will or desire to dominate another, or lying can be witch-craft. the Bible

describes/defines 'rebellion' as witchcraft. it's a bit complex but not too too deep to never be able to understand the dynamics.

to exert power over others with the intent of controlling them can be witchcraft. but abusive Christians, (yes sadly there are alot of them and God isn't thrilled) will say if you attempt any type of correction or accountability that, that is what you are doing.

he said she said. God knows the realities and fruit proves the tree.

wishing harm or acting or acting like a victim can be a sort of witchcraft too.

really the Bible...Jesus sums it up in this way-to love the Lord your God with ALL your heart mind and soul is the Greatest and First commandment and second is to Love your neighbor as you would yourself.

He is a perfect God with alot of imperfect people in various stages and levels of worship, in relationship with Him. Good thing He is full of grace and is so understanding and forgiving.

He also is not a pollyanna. He is holy and He doesn't want sin to harm either the people doing it or harming others by doing it. who defines sin? He does.

and Jesus said when His disciples asked Him, how many times should we forgive a person for the same sin? Jesus said, 70 X 7 for the same one.

and that mercy is greater than justice or judgment. and then again Jesus is the One Who said, to the chic about to be stoned for adultery..."Go and sin no more, so that a worse thing doesn't happen to you." it's about balance and understanding. and mercy but not forever if you keep doing the same intentional wrong that is well...evil.


thanks.

katrina

Anonymous said...

This is a blog about CARMAN.....not throwing stones at everyone else.....THIS IS ABOUT CARMAN...... Josh please take it down again.....

Charlean D. said...
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Anonymous said...

charleane you are a Christian minister right? then do you think that your attitude is Biblical?

just because someone does not like your singing ONLY AFTER FINDING YOUR WEB PAGE THRU CARMAN POSTINGS YOU MADE...or if you are called out for the spiritual darkness in your eyes or on your countenance it is not stalking.

why not go to the police today?
or sun? why wait until monday?


look charlean you are not innocent.
and it is so wrong if any of those things are true about your yard or car. we have never met you, don't listen to your music and don't know what your connection really is to carman.

but there are some people who have said that you stalk him and that he is very very uncomfortable with you.

how do you even know that your name was mentioned here?

understand - there may be some people who have hated you and attacked you for whatever sick or wrong reason. we, my husband and i have not. ever. not saying that because of your police comments but because the spiritual clarity is important.

why don't you just stay away from all carman blogs. what do you have to do with him?

do you approve of his new compromise?

the Changing Hands film?
or his compromises in life with women and a duality of life?

the world is not revolving around you. and if someone is posting about you, why does God allow that in your life? are you a teenage girl being bullied?

aren't you a public figure of your own insistance? then if you want that fame or recognition, be ready for detractors and people who don't like you to say so on blogs. it's par for the course.

thicken your skin and live Biblically. install a video system outside of your house and definitely call the police if your car or home are vandalized.

why would carman supporters throw beer bottles at you? are they drinkers? any chance the things you've said have happened are totally unrelated to anyone who is weird about carman?

live by the Bible.

Jim and Ruth

Charlean D. said...
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Anonymous said...

Thank you Jim and Ruth for being not only insightful, but on the money. She loves being brought up in these blogs. I have not seen her new photo but will take a look. Yes, I have a few friends who blogged here as I also do. Her incessant threats to involve the law, well, are bogus. We have done nothing wrong and have broken no laws. I also wonder what her real relationship is to the 'ministry' of Carman. She seems to believe that I am every person who blogs here. Frankly, who gives a hoot? We are in the penultimate hour before Christ's return and this woman and her mentor, well, let's just say, they may have some difficulties at His return. As for people throwing things at her house, this too is bogus. She told me she was living with Carman's 32 year old daughter, more nonsense. Your advice that she ignores Carman blogs will go unheeded. Moth to flame.

'Gwen', my pseudoynm

Anonymous said...

Also, she herself originally is the person who brought Changing Hands to everyone's attention on another blog. I was speaking with her by phone at that time and she informed me of it and then posted about it under a fake name on two other blogs. As far as her losing thousands of dollars, etc., from her 'ministry', total nonsense. She is not nor will she ever be a well known public figure. These days, who would want to be anyway?

Again, Charlen, PETE was the original blogger here who mentioned your name and posted a link to that wedding song video. Many of us think PETE was Carman. Stop blaming the wrong people, especially me!

Anonymous said...

I looked at the changing hands trailer, what a disappointment Carman is. Every other word is bad, how can he associate himself with this garbage? This is not learning the craft of acting, this is backsliding, pure and simple.
What are his supporters thinking of, this is not OK for a minister to be involved in, it goes against all he has ever stood for. Surely he has some good Christian supporters who are as appauled by this stuff as I am.
Shame on you Carman, how could you be so deceived?

Anonymous said...

THE CRAFT is a big element in acting. Carman is not deceived, he's involved. And if CDC was rear-ended in a car accident, it's always the other person's fault who hit the back of the car. Stop harassing us, get a lawyer, sue for your injuries, etc. As for begging for backers for your 'big event' all I can say is if it's really an event from Jesus you won't have to beg. Carman ended up begging, not good. And I couldn't find her on FB. Will that blogger paste the link here so I can see the witchy dark photo?

Anonymous said...

Carman is "involved" alright. He's a legend in his own mind. Come on people, stand up for what's right.

It's like he has thrown caution to the wind, and he finds comfort in your comments about someone else that diverts the attention off of him.
He was once a force for good, now he is in danger of hurting a lot of innocent people in the body of Christ.
This is NOT OK.

He is hurting himself, he is hurting is image, his ministry, the people who gave unconditionally to him, his inner circle. This is NOT OK

You are watching someone drown, and is too proud to ask for a lifeline.

Anonymous said...

This is a witch hunt and you women should be ashambed of yourselves. This is not a ligit blogging site it is nothing but throwing accusations at everyone that does not agree with what your writeing.

How do you know so much about this woman and Carman, Gwen? Are you the stalker that everyone accused you of being?

Anonymous said...

Depends on your definition of a stalker. I would have to say NO, according to my definition. Blogging homest observations about a person is not stalking. If it was, Prez Obama et al., would have his hands full because of all the people who blog against him. For example, Yahoo daily has blogs about every topic under the sun, including celebs. I have seen incredibly defamatory and foul language, and Yahoo prints it.

A blog needs to not cross the line by accepting threats of physical or spiritual harm, etc.

Do I follow Carman around physically from locale to locale? Absolutely not. Last time I saw him was November 2008. I have no desire to encounter him in person ever again.

How do I know so much about those two? The question has been asked and answered in previous blogs. I will comment that I was scorned and ridiculed for posting the truth.

Good thing is, I have a very thick skin and keep up the shield of faith. The fiery darts of the wicked cannot penetrate until it is my time to leave this Earth.

Carman, Schmarman already. By the way, only click 'post comment' once or your remarks will be duplicated and drive Josh crazy.

The blogger two posts above me is correct: Carman doe use people to deflect attention from him. But any of us that have been on these blogs already see the pattern and know what's what.

G.

Anonymous said...

Also, the accusation of me being a 'stalker' is from hell's kitchen, i.e., the Carmanites. There are many people who agree with me and do not hold this invalid opinion.

A blog is for people to express both sides, not just one side. Apparently this man has a cultic influence that renders his toadies blind.

'Inner circle' is a frightening observation. It is used in, let's say, things the Lord calls 'an abomination'...

... Lord protect all of us who seek Your Face and who speak Your truth. We know that you have said: Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather, REPROVE THEM.

That was my aim in posting my observations about this man. It got out of hand in a most outlandish fashion when the 'inner circle' got riled up.

G.

Anonymous said...

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I pulled this from a site on the craft. Inner circle is a craft term. It is not a Biblical concept that true believers or 'ministers' should espouse.

Anonymous said...

The apostasy of professing Christianity has increased with a momentum that is stunning to those watching its growth. It has gone off the Richter scale. In the absence of the lampstand ( the presence of Christ), devils have stepped in and taken over in many churches. This falling away has certainly begun and is picking up momentum each year, month, and week. Whole movements have arisen that draw huge crowds by catering to the natural mans desires and prey on his propensity of being deceived by the supernatural. They are being offered the very things Christ refused and warned against in his teachings.

Anonymous said...

Mystery solved, here's our perp.


Gwen Carman is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Gwen Carman and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world ...
www.facebook.com/people/Gwen-Carman/1433244428 -

Charlean D. said...
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Anonymous said...

Looks like we are rid of the Charlean problem.

Anonymous said...

hey wait a minute? how can charlean remove posts? is she friends with josh and they are doing this together?

does anyone think that you should write to TBN or call them about carman's new movie. YUK SIC GROSS WRONG. like the guy said in one of the posts that were taked down - EW.

yes carman is very very ew-ish now!

is there a reason he can't get an acting role in something more positive? there are so many Christian film companies now.

he has lost the vote.
he used to be in Jesus' boat.
now he's acting like a goat.
Lord please heat him up in a godly trying by fire and the bring the dross to the top, let it float.

oh maybe these type of blogs are a part of that.

hi vada.
you better tell the crouche's what your surrogate husband figure is up to. and what nancy's surrogate husband is now doing to the reputation of a long standing ministry.

cool springs resident.

Anonymous said...

Josh and Charlean in cahoots? Interesting but I don't think so. More like she contacted him and asked for them to be removed. See, she started her usual threats against people blogging about her, etc. She got some flak back and backed out, lol.PS I don't think TBN gives a flip what Carman does, really. I'm sure they know about this movie.

Anonymous said...

To the person who said this is a witch-hunt: You're right. Many witches have infiltrated the House of the Lord and Carman dates women like this. I don't think he wants a life line or to be rescued. He thinks what he's done and is doing is perfectly OK and no one's business.

Anonymous said...

It isnt anyone business but his pastor, people who give MONEY to the ministry, and himself. If you have never been a ministry partner of Carman Ministries or Carman World Out Reach you don't have a right to say squat.

Your not Carman's judge or consious. You have said all you need to say Gwen in 45 other poster's names. You don't fool anyone.

Anonymous said...

actually the Bible tells us that we are to judge all things. not to be hypocritcal judges and to be in the same sin or to consider carman a completely lost cause.

whoever you are...you are another one of those self righteous enablers of all things carman cult.

he absolutely answers to the church, to his brothers and sisters and to the Christians who have trusted him as an example and a MINISTER.

what island of sleeze and secrecy to you live on? so ted haggard should not have been exposed?

or jimmy swaggert?
the accusations thing now that's not cool but its going to happen especially if you're famous or if you preach a holiness message and are effective in the Kingdom of God.

you defend carman unscrupulously VADA. AND YOUR HUSBAND was his pastor? who is carman's pastor now? put his name here and we will contact him about the movie.

how dare you defend his immoral compromised defiling decision to work in this foul low budget and violent movie.

can't he call Tyler Perry or some other producers and get a part in something CLEAN and edifying.

repent and call him and tell him the same. he's a grown up man with a long long history in MINISTRY.

God don't like no phonies.

Shakeekee

Anonymous said...

DIS HERE POST DOWN HEARH IZ FROM DA CARMNONO.
HOW DOES WE KNOW? HE KENT SPELL CONSCIOUS. AN HE BE SAYIN "SQUAT".

HEY HEY CARMAN. GET ON OUTTA HEARH.
CYA
BYE
HUH UH

KEE KEE

POST BY CARMO:

It isnt anyone business but his pastor, people who give MONEY to the ministry, and himself. If you have never been a ministry partner of Carman Ministries or Carman World Out Reach you don't have a right to say squat.

Your not Carman's judge or consious. You have said all you need to say Gwen in 45 other poster's names. You don't fool anyone.

October 26, 2010 3:56 PM

Anonymous said...

He's just trying to keep saying that 'Gwen' is all these posters so he can feel like I'm the only one in the world who's onto his monkey business. Everyone just keep saying what you've got to say and ignore his lame Peter Paul and Whadeva, all the multiple fake names he posts under. And you are right, the man can't spell and ought to sit down with Webster's in one hand as he hunts and pecks out his flaccid rebuttals with the other hand. When I post I sign the initial, G., since he thinks 'Gwen' my actual name.
His horror flick is old news but be assured something new and more cretinous will surface.

G.

Anonymous said...

PS Carman it is the Body's Business what you do, 'Brudda' (not). You put yourself out there in a big, flashy, splashy fashion to be noticed as a minister of Christ. So now you've been noticed, heh heh heh, in some big areas that are not His way. Take the heat, or beat it.

Why do you even bother to come to this blog? Don't you have some Fadda Giuseppe di Provolone flick coming up next that you're starring in?

'Renzo

Anonymous said...

Dang right we've never given a cent to CWO and never will.

G.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Mystery solved, here's our perp.


Gwen Carman is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Gwen Carman and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world ...
www.facebook.com/people/Gwen-Carman/1433244428 -

October 24, 2010 7:39 PM

LOL go bug Gwen Carman, Carman!

G.

Anonymous said...

Josh makes money off this, so with that saying. Josh do you want your blog to stay on the blogger? Guess not, you allow all this bashing of others on your bash blog. This is a Carman blog not a bash everyone that was or is around Carman blog. Please, post a address where the court order to have this "Gwen blog" taken down shall be sent. Is it true Gwen, that you harassed everyone around Carman so badly, everyone you contacted has a Protective Order against you, where your not even suppose to be bringing up the names of these people on the Internet or other places? Please do tell? Is it also true you threatened law suits over Carman and many other of his family members if they defended themselves against your accusations?

Your a Christian and Christians are not suppose to take their things to a court of law of unbelievers. YET, you sue over every little thing you can, you even bragged to Carman in an email about suing others and even threatened him, if he tried to block you. That is called harassment, cyber-bullying, and stalking.That is the reason for the restraining orders. Please Gwen tell us the real truth, please tell us why you follow every blog and post board there is about Carman. Its not to be heard, its to harass because you know you are now not allowed by law to contact anyone that is around Carman, or has been around Carman any longer, this is about REVENGE, NOTHING else. You think you were slighted by Carman and you want nothing, BUT, revenge. The Bible says, vengeance is Mine saith the Lord. Not yours Gwen, the Lord's, yet you continue to say your pure as driven snow. If the truth is revealed, your just like Carman.

josh said...

Actually, I DON'T make any money off this blog. And I gotta tell you, everybody who posts here comes off looking pretty bad.

Anonymous said...

Here's what's so cool. Josh who is not a born again believer sees all of you being SO WEIRD AND VICIOUS.

Sorry Josh. Not everyone is like this in the Christian faith. At all.

Carman and some of his enemies are emotionally ill and psychologically violent to whatever degree and bitter. Including Vada who had a brain tumor and so some times you just have to excuse her distortions. But she is no angel.

The best we can do is have 'grace'. And just let people play themselves out.

And again Carman is a repsonsible party for the impact he has on people including ticking some off and even hurting people and not caring who supported him for years and believed his squeaky clean image and promises of no compromise.

He is most certainly accountable to others, anyone can find that in the New Testament by which he lives and has used to make a very successful living from. Not exactly cool in some respects.

Is he a complete fiend or villian. No. But there are things that are more than questionable and not ok.

Have no idea who Gwen is or what is true or not. This blog is actually the first we have ever heard of her. We do know that God prophesied, (something very cool you can find in the Old Testament and New) that Carman would have a consequence of a woman stalker who would not, no matter what, go away. And that was because he spiritually sinned by accusing a legit prophet/minister of being a stalker.

It's not that God was picking on him, or lashing out. It is a boundary, a consequence already 'written' in His Word about reaping and sowing and so on.

Apologies to you for the bad behavior and bad example of Christians in this blog. And then again we all have flawed lives and problems in our character. No one is perfect. Except Jesus. And His miracles and life prove so much more than can ever be expressed here.

If you want to do something interesting for yourself, read the Book of Acts and Psalms. Also the Gospels are not fiction, they are verifiable historical accounts. Even recent archeological digs have discovered things like grave markers and scrolls and homes that prove people did exist in the places described and so on.

Imagine how God feels about this blog and His people. And Carman who He gave so much more to than practically anyone here will ever have. Yet...Carman is the perpetual victim.

Scratching head.
Take Care Josh


PS
And this blog is doing 'some' good believe it or not. We don't throw the chicken out with bones. :.)

Hey do you like Pere Ubu?
Deborah Henson Conant?
Have you seen Vanilla Ice on his new Home and Gardens show???
Or the aforementioned "Hercules" on the new Hawaii 5-0? We used to live there and it is just as beautiful as the tv captures it and the people are just as colorful and as dangerous too!
Wonder when Dog the Bounty Hunter will be featured on the show?
He used to go to our church there.
Not really a model Christian, but has an affection for Jesus and for doing good.

A sort of friend of Carman's, Tim Story married him and his now wife.
Ciao

Anonymous said...

Baloney, Madam Minister with the big concert that's never going to happen. You unfortunately cannot distinguish fact from fantasy and are trying to put your dubious title as the quintessential Carman stalker, etc., on me. Since I am tired of this subject, my answer is 'nolo contendere'.

And thanks to the folks who said they have never heard of me before. Sorry, I am not the prophesied harasser, LOL. She's the one posting above and laying everything she has been known for at my feet.

G.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Story (another new story-teller), I tell you that I prefer Dwayne Chapman's non-model Christianity to the fake garbage that has issued from certain 'model' Christians who have been exposed as fakes. At least Dog acts his age and not his shoe size, and has had a long-term wife and many loving children. He never held himself out to be a model Christian because there is no such person except Christ Jesus. The Bounty Hunter is genuine and I find him very enjoyable, and adore Beth's point to his counterpoint.

G.....bored with this blog, same old same old and things will only truly change when He returns.

Anonymous said...

Stalking Law & Legal Definition

A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.

Now you can all see the legal definition of 'stalker'.
Guess we need to come up with another term, or be guilty of stupidity?

Anonymous said...

Ok so I can see that by definition none of these chicks are stalkers by blogging about Carman. To my knowledge they have not made any threats of physical harm, etc., at least not in writing on any of these blogs. Going from blog to blog is the blogger's right. Carman needs to quit reading this stuff since he seems to be whaaa whaaa whaaa about it all. I'd laugh it off if it was happening to me. I've read some really crazy blogs about way bigger stars than Carman, and you don't see the star coming on there blogging under a fake name and fighting and being fatuous. All in a day's work for you rich and famous people. Fame brings some not so great things especially when you've ticked people off. 'Peter' you said you were 'outta here' so please follow through and don't worry about what's going on here. It's been going on for awhile now so what's the bid deal? You made beaucoup money off of people who are struggling now so stop the whining. Someone said God gave you a lot but maybe it wasn't God, only you know.

Jesse James

Anonymous said...

'It isnt anyone business but his pastor, people who give MONEY to the ministry, and himself. If you have never been a ministry partner of Carman Ministries or Carman World Out Reach you don't have a right to say squat.'

Now we have the truth. I copied this from a comment made up above by who we suspect is Carman.

It's all about the MONEY with this guy. If you gave him MONEY you have the right to speak out but if you didn't give him MONEY shut up.

This is the most outrageous statement I have ever seen! CARMAN EVEN PEOPLE WHO GAVE YOU MONEY ARE SPEAKING OUT AND ALSO HAVE STOPPED GIVING THE $$$$$$$$$ WHICH IS WHY YOU NO LONGER HAVE CONCERT TOURS.

JJ said...

Oh for God's sake Gwen everyone is not Carman. BUT I know all these anonymous post are YOU and one or two of the poor souls you dupe into believe your sad stupid stories. Watch out guys she will accuse you of being against her, she is paranoid, she will also threaten you with a law suit. get real Peter is gone. I know him face to face I know he is not Carman and when he says he is gone he is gone and guys she has in the past followed Carman around from venue to venue do not let her fool you.
Gwen,Carman and Char are both, okay, with one another. That is a show on the Internet to keep people like you from harassing those that are in Carman's corner.It's like a play, or a movie, you know, acting. It is done to make sure crazies leave others around him alone.
Gwen, I am not Char either. Char was the only one with enough guts to use her own email account and her own name. She has nothing to hide. She is through with all sand box mud slinging and teenage backstabbing you and others like you do. So calling me, her, is really stupid. Or having your innuendos to the fact that I am Char is really childish, but your rampage against Carman is really childish. Go and meet your Kennedy types, I bet they don't remember you either. Which says a lot, means your like others we in ministry have met lately, your phonies and fake Christians. I am not anyone you have ever met or talk with Gwen. I am a man, I am a minister, and I am over a church. I know information like Vada knows.
You are a phony and a fake, anyone that threatens another minister over the phone with a law suit is not a true Christian. I would check your salvation. Unlike Char I'm not Baptist, I don;t believe in once saved always saved, I am a mentor to a lot of others in ministry and she told me you believe in pre-destination, that is not Biblical. She told me a lot of your conversations and most were only about you and how great looking you are what a great Christian you are. How no one needs to bother with trying to present the Gospel to anyone because it is useless to do any such a thing.
Where in Matthew last chapter it clearly states,
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."

This is called the Great Commission, but you say we should only listen to you and not the Bible, then you say you only read the KJV of the Bible, does this mean you pick and choose what to believe in the KJV Bible?
Are you going to pull a Baptist statement on me and say all that was only for the disciples? Or that all the gifts of the Spirit are not being given today. You contradict your self over and over, you make yourself out to be the OH GREAT CALLED ONE.
Gwen all are called. We who are Christians and accept Jesus as our Savior are all called to do something for the kingdom, your not the only one, and will not be the last one. Your tirade over Carman shows your arrogant nature and reflects poorly on those of us who are over a church.
Take this advice, stop this nonsense and spend more time reading the KJV Bible and stop twisting it to suit your needs.
(Part 1)

JJ said...

Oh for God's sake Gwen everyone is not Carman. BUT I know all these anonymous post are YOU and one or two of the poor souls you dupe into believe your sad stupid stories. Watch out guys she will accuse you of being against her, she is paranoid, she will also threaten you with a law suit. get real Peter is gone. I know him face to face I know he is not Carman and when he says he is gone he is gone and guys she has in the past followed Carman around from venue to venue do not let her fool you.
Gwen,Carman and Char are both, okay, with one another. That is a show on the Internet to keep people like you from harassing those that are in Carman's corner.It's like a play, or a movie, you know, acting. It is done to make sure crazies leave others around him alone.
Gwen, I am not Char either. Char was the only one with enough guts to use her own email account and her own name. She has nothing to hide. She is through with all sand box mud slinging and teenage backstabbing you and others like you do. So calling me, her, is really stupid. Or having your innuendos to the fact that I am Char is really childish, but your rampage against Carman is really childish. Go and meet your Kennedy types, I bet they don't remember you either. Which says a lot, means your like others we in ministry have met lately, your phonies and fake Christians. I am not anyone you have ever met or talk with Gwen. I am a man, I am a minister, and I am over a church. I know information like Vada knows.
You are a phony and a fake, anyone that threatens another minister over the phone with a law suit is not a true Christian. I would check your salvation. Unlike Char I'm not Baptist, I don;t believe in once saved always saved, I am a mentor to a lot of others in ministry and she told me you believe in pre-destination, that is not Biblical. She told me a lot of your conversations and most were only about you and how great looking you are what a great Christian you are. How no one needs to bother with trying to present the Gospel to anyone because it is useless to do any such a thing.
Where in Matthew last chapter it clearly states,
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."

This is called the Great Commission, but you say we should only listen to you and not the Bible, then you say you only read the KJV of the Bible, does this mean you pick and choose what to believe in the KJV Bible?
Are you going to pull a Baptist statement on me and say all that was only for the disciples? Or that all the gifts of the Spirit are not being given today. You contradict your self over and over, you make yourself out to be the OH GREAT CALLED ONE.
Gwen all are called. We who are Christians and accept Jesus as our Savior are all called to do something for the kingdom, your not the only one, and will not be the last one. Your tirade over Carman shows your arrogant nature and reflects poorly on those of us who are over a church.
Take this advice, stop this nonsense and spend more time reading the KJV Bible and stop twisting it to suit your needs.
(Part 1)

JJ said...

Josh, Gwen thinks you have no rights to the Gospel of Jesus, and that because you have not accepted Jesus,means you never will. She believes there are only a certain number "chosen" to go to heaven and those who have not accepted the gosple yet are not going. She wants to say she believes this and that, but she is not a member of any Bible believing church, nor does she come under the accountability of anyone. She also has a belief system as do the Mormons and the Jehovah's witness. The Jehovah's Witness believe that only 144,000 are going to heaven. A chosen "few". This is not Biblical.
Gwen, get under a good man of God, not some ministry on line, but one where you abide by the scripture,

Hebrews 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."
That means face to face assembling, not on line assembling.
You are not the only one going to heaven Gwen.Stop acting like you are the only one on this blog that is going to heaven.
I hate to break it to you, the Lord Jesus did not go to the cross just for you alone.

hi said...

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
God’s Everlasting Love


31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:


“ For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”[c]

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:28-39

Anonymous said...

Uh, JJ, I always use G. when I blog. And nowhere have I mentioned Josh in correlation to the Gospel. You show yourself as a liar by stating I think this, that or the other about Josh and Jesus.

You people are really, really sick. I don't believe any of you really know Christ. The devil also quotes Scripture.

I guess I have been making people blog against Carman since 2004? Well I was out of the country and Carman was the furthest thing from my mind. Get this straight: These blogs have been a staple item on the internet for years. I am recently only involved.

Yes, I actually do sue when I am physically injured at the fault of someone else. Not only do our civil laws give me this right, the Book of Deuteronomy does also. Our civil and criminal justice systems are based on Deuteronomy, although we have messed it all up.

PS I am going out of the country and have better things to do, so keep up the home front for me, LOL.

Jesus told me to answer LORD REBUKE YOU

Anonymous said...

PS "JJ", if as you state, Carman, Char and myself are all 'OK' with each other, then why are you contradicting yourself with your endless blabber about what I believe and how wrong I am?

I could not care less what you think of my beliefs. They are solidly Scriptural. I could quote endless verses also but it's your business to study to show thyself approved.

I assure you that I am not 'OK' with either of them, nor is this a stage play of any sort whatsoever. I mean what I say and am very solid in my exegesis of Scripture.

I have only discussed my views with Char, and which internet ministry I prefer, so logically, you are Char or someone she has blabbed to.

Speaking of which, in my conversations with her, she could not shut her yap about Carman. On another post somewhere she denies ever having spoken with me. So which is it, Madam Minister?

This confusion is of the DEVIL and you all love that. You all claim to be Ministers of the Gospel (right-o), but as Paul the Apostle said, it's 'another gospel' and not the one once delivered unto the saints!!!

I don't mix with 'believers' because I find that most of them are not reading the Bible, much less the real Bible, but are following some man. Church is a social gathering and the Christ of Scripture is not lifted up in the midst of unholy contemporary "Christian" music

I sit under the HOLY SPIRIT and have for years when He first had me depart this country on a sojourn.

Look, Jabberwockies, I am packing to go to Israel. I'll pray for your souls at the Wailing Wall of my forefathers.

Shema Yisroel, Adonai Elohanu, Adonai Echod.

G....and I bet Dog has reached more people for Christ than he even knows because of his loving and sweet nature, and for the way he treats his prisoners. He isn't trying to be anyone but himself and I think God really honors that.

And yes, I am gaw-juss, LOL. Bye,

Anonymous said...

gwen you are a big jerk, and a bad witness to some people. of course God wants us to corporately. read a Bible.

no wonder carman wanted you to stay away, you may not be a stalker of the violent kind, but you are not a healthy Christian.

Shalom

Anonymous said...

sorry for mistype. He wants us to corporately worship and learn. prophesy and fellowship.

Jesus is Jewish.

Anonymous said...

Man, you suck. Picking on this woman like you are, whoever you are. From where I sit she isn't saying anything weird or off base. How can you say she's a bad witness to people? Do you even know her? You sound whacked out. Isn't it Carman this funky blog's about?
Gwen I hope you have a great time in the Holy Land and don't let these people trouble your spirit. I second the Lord rebuke them thing.

Anonymous said...

And she ain't the one in nasty movies, so whose the bad witness here? Carman you cant even take it, go soak your head in the toilet bowl , you and your stalker s**t that you've been putting out for years, and how you ran away from all these women whatever. I think they were lucky to not have ended up with you. Really God protected them. You just a sore LOSER and a jerk to the max. Yes and I think we get the grip that Jesus was jweish and you and your cult ar Ewish.

Michael Pieper

Anonymous said...

predestination--a biblical truth

Lyn Mize

The Scriptures unequivocally teach the predestination of believers to spirit salvation. Both Calvinists and Arminians teach predestination, but they disagree on the basis of the predestination for believers. There are numerous Scriptures declaring the predestination of believers, but the following are the clearest:

(Rom 8:28-30 KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. {29} For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. {30} Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

(Eph 1:5 KJV) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

(Eph 1:11 KJV) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Anonymous said...

2. Christian Versus Non-Christian Dispute: Secular Courts are ordained by God (Romans 13:1-7). Therefore, there is no prohibition against a Christian suing a non-Christian in a secular court.

Just a little piece of law for ya. Iffin ya don't like the Apostle Paul, take it up with Jesus. Carman has SUED a Christian for dee-vorce, his wife Rosie. He has also been SUED and has SUED Rendy Lovelady.

Joke: A Jewish guy an a Japanese guy decided ta open a restaurant. They finally come up with a name after much haggling. They named it SOSUMI, lol.

ya know hoo

Anonymous said...

LOL Bob O. Guess all these fine upstanding Christians are too busy getting fixed up for Samhein celebrations at their churches to answer.(Halloween= Witches Sabat)Not all who blogged here, but a select few.
Love, SUE SUMEE WRESTLER

Anonymous said...

UM you are not Bob O. And if you use ifn and other vernakkular that the ole man used, forghetta about it.

We know Bob and he has long long since stopped posting. Stop plagerizing. DARLENE.

Okay. As far as Gwen. Wow, Carman run run run. She doesn't hang with other 'believers' because she judges them as unfit in her evaluation and the other person says read the KJV. Right. In antiquated language that is hard to understand and not totally accurate in the translation. Try New KJV or several other versions now that are very very accurate.

Call Brad Young at ORU and ask him which version is the most accurate.

Or Pat Robertson's ministry. Whether ya like him er not, he's a good ole boy of ministry and has him some smarts bout all of that there. (thanks Bob O Link)

Here's an idea...Phillipians 2 verse 5.

Grow up y'all. And watch real close at yer witness ta dudes like Josh an the others (not the others from LOST) who's a readin' all of this and that.

Leave Carman alone, unless you have something truly valuable and fully honest to say. One thing that we agree on...it's better for the multiples of women who didn't get to marry him. Not really a good marriage candidate. Too narcissistic and too much of a victim and too controlling. EWISH!!!

Oh and Erwin Lutzer a wonderful awesome minister, on Moody Radio will be teaching next Sunday on believers taking each other to court.

Hasta La Vista

Posey Magnolia

Anonymous said...

Hi All.
This is a FACEbook comment from Carman's. Wonder what Sonshine Puppets and the kids will think of Changing Hands the F and MF word movie with the "classy" script.

Also, the Witches Invitation song?
That actually happened to Mario Murillo not Carman. And then years later...Mario's wife left him for Carman. Yes, it's all true. Then Carman married Rose Murillo in Vegas on Elvis' birtday EWWW. Then she left him after just a few months of marriage and he paid her to not tell people 'things' about him and more. Ask Carman yourself.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL He'll answer. And...he'll answer HONESTLY.

Here's the comment:


Ebony Sonshine Puppets We thank God for your ministry from the beginning & we here@puppet_land love to sing your songs to the children and youth that we ministered to. We do "Some of That", & others numbers. Just wanted to let you know that your songs are a blessing & May God continue to Bless You & Keep you strong in the Lord. Thanks Minister Carman

Anonymous said...

@ Posey Magnolia

Ever wonder why so many Bibles?
Is God the Author of confusion?
If your answer is no, then you must belive He preserved His word perfectly somewhere. He says He did.
KJB is called Authorized because it's the only set of english scriptures that He has stamped His authority on.
This is why it is the only set that can record the words of Christ in RED. The line was drawn and Satan couldn't cross it.
If you can't understand it, why?
I think it is the most understandable and powerful thing I have ever laid eyes on.
You say leave Carman alone unless we have something nice to say then you bash him in the next sentence.
Plagiarism means copying the written words of another that are already extant.
Unless Bob wrote that exact comment somewhere else,or a reasonable facsimile, Darlene is not committing plagiarism.
The versions are doctrines of devils, put forth by evil men in these last days.
I have been following this blog.
It seems that no matter what you won't leave this one woman alone.
If I am reading her posts correctly, Carman has no need to run from her.
She has made it very clear that she never wants to see this man again.
Also clear is that she did not see him for years.
She appears to be very intelligent and educated.
She has aptly refuted all comers.
I also don't follow the doctrines of men, especially anything from ORU.
Wha she does or does not do as far as fellowship is her business.
I would agree with her it's difficult to find a really Word-grounded, authentic believer.
But again, prophecy tells us this would be so in the last days.
Her photos on Flickr seem to have disappeared and I think she is very beautiful.
Her eyes speak.
If she is Carman's age she looks too good to be true.
But then again, I'm a guy so I see things through that perspective.
Have a good day.
AJL

I would venture a guess she has at least a master's degree or is a doctor of jurisprudence.

Anonymous said...

And forgot to say how do you know Bob or that he stopped posting?
So many are saying things not kind about Carman.
The woman went to the Holy Land.
Bless her.
I have visited there. Very unique.
Yes, the little children should not see that Carman movie.
He seems to have lost it. Hope he finds it.

AJL

Anonymous said...

My memory sometimes is fleeting.
Forgot to add I agree.
An unbeliever can be sued in a court of law.
Some of your named ministers have sued people and people have sued them. It doesn't go public but it's there.
Stop being silver tongued devils!
AJL

Anonymous said...

ok. darlene, wingsaglow is not gwen.
the KJB is not the only Bible authorized by God. get real. go visit Wycliffe Bible translators in Orlando.

the red letters of Christ is not a miracle, its a choice. a good choice but let's not be superstitious shall we?

Holy Land visit makes gwen another superstitious distortion? lots and lots and lots of Christians go to the Holy Land. millions in fact.

thankfully it does not look like the Orlando theme park that jan crouch has turned into a literal 'circus' of hundreds of animal statues and multiple, huge 'nativity sets'. she has a serious problem. besides her wig.

the Holy Land park was cool and the Scriptorium is awesome, but she made it into a...'how many animal statues can i waste the ministry money on' theme park of her psychiatric distortions and spiritual oddness. extra Biblical stuff. imagination junk. crazy classless weird stuff.

oh gee...like a full sized, angel statue with sheer scuplted shirt so that her 'nipples are erect' and showing - as she strums a windchime harp. great for the kids.

employees there have stated that they have 'had to alter' a few items jan shipped in due to risque details on the statues.

please someone be honest with jan until she finally listens. her denial is even thicker than the carmiester.

who has beautitul eyes? darlene? gwen? kairos? isn't gwen kairos?

what's your beef with ORU?
are yu a grad?

why do you care who knows Bob O?
you are just jealous.

we don't know him, but wish we did.

leave carman alone and pray for him.
and please do send letters, nice, but honest letters to all kinds of people about his horrid and compromised choice to do that hick movie that defiles.

gee whiz carman, can't you find a Christian producer somewhere who will hire you?

you bet...that role in that movie is EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwwwww.


please don't believe that the KJB with red lettering is the only accurate tranlation. NIV is weird though in some ways. also don't forget the good old King James had William (Bill) Shakespeare added to Psalms and some other things you "all" are apparently not aware of.

although the history of the King James version is cool and the updated version is awesome. the Amplified version is very cool and many top ministers use that for ministry and study.

ORU professors are preferable to gwen and her cult like doctrines centered on her, any day.

hi carman.
please stop.

Anonymous said...

Gwen, you do know lieing is a sin right? When you post as all these others bragging on how good you look and claiming you left the country you are a liar.

You have gone no where. How do I know that? You keep hitting both ministry's websites under the same IP address. One has blocked you, again.
This is not Carman,so don't start that nonsense, this is a staff member for both ministries. Carman does not go on these post boards and Carman never will. I should not even look at them myself, they are the same poster wanting attention from everyone that will give it to her.I have dealt with your kind before, it ended when we pressed charges.

Gwen, stop calling the ministry's numbers, both of them. Carman does not ever want to hear anything you have to say and neither does Charlean. You have now been told to stop in a public fourm, you know the law.

Yes ,Gwen's doctrine is cultish, or should I say Gwenish, because it centers around her and her alone.

Gwen, crawl back under that rock you crawled out from under. She is not pretty in the face, people. What is a plain give away that these posters are you, Gwen, is this, no one has photos of you, public, anywhere, for them to view.

Now,Gwen, this ends. Stop calling and bothering Carman, Charlean, and anyone else you are whining to over the phone, that is over a ministry.

End of Discussion.

Anonymous said...

BENE MR "AGENTE", COME MI PIACE LEGGERE QUESTA ROBA (MOLTO DIVERTENTE... TUTTI HANNO BISOGNO DI UNA RISATA!! ) SI PREGA DI FORNIRE E INDIRIZZO, NUMERO DI TELEFONO ED EMAIL INDIRIZZO A CUI UNA DENUNCIA PUÒ ESSERE PRESENTATA A MICHATEK. È TIPICO PER VOI CATEGORIZZARE TUTTI COLORO CHE INCONTRA IL PERCORSO DELLA CHE IL MINISTERO? PERCHÉ SIETE COSÌ COME DI UN BUGIARDO CHE PULCINO GWEN. SI PREGA DI FARE TUTTI UN FAVORE E FORNIRE LE INFORMAZIONI RICHIESTE. GRAZIE!!

Anonymous said...

Oh e se si prega potrebbe includere anche un punto di contatto. Grazie molte! (

Anonymous said...

JOSH we have someone who speaks Italian. Do you want this blog under scrutiny by FEDS now? Better take that stuff down. The person they are persecuting has broken no laws, has not contacted Carman or his ministry (except by email months ago and she retains a copy of the emails) and what is printed about her is total lies. Hmmm? He is blogged about everywhere and she has broken not a single law.

Anonymous said...

November 2, 2010 10:05 AM WELL MR "AGENT", AS I LIKE TO READ THIS STUFF (VERY FUNNY ... EVERYBODY NEEDS A LAUGH!! ) PLEASE PROVIDE AND ADDRESS, TELEPHONE NUMBER AND EMAIL ADDRESS TO WHICH A COMPLAINT MAY BE SUBMITTED TO MICHATEK. IS TYPICAL FOR YOU CATEGORIZE EVERYONE WHO MEETS THE PATH THAT THE MINISTRY? WHY ARE YOU SO AS A LIAR THAT CHICK GWEN. PLEASE DO EVERYONE A FAVOR AND PROVIDE THE REQUESTED INFORMATION. Thank you!! November 2, 2010 10: 05 AM/Anonymous said ... Oh and if you please could include also a contact point. Thanks a lot! (

Here is an exact translation of the very bad Italian used in the comments above. Doubtful an Italian who sepaks fluently wrote this. I assure you no one is scared. Do you also do the boogy man's voice at Halloween? This Italian is LOL stuff. The writer even calls Carman a liar. Read what he says, 'why are you so as a liar that chick Gwen?' What he is saying is that he thinks Carman is as big a liar as Gwen. Problem is, Gwen isn't a liar. Booooooooooo!

Anonymous said...

Hey Mr. L, bone up on your Italian. It reeks. No one serious or Mafioso would post this nonsense on a public venue. It has all been copied and retained as evidence. This woman is not easily intimidated. But law enforcement may look at the comments differently.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! And you gotta know, and if we involve Feds, we will prove that many other people are blogging here besides her, by the IP addresses the Feds will gather when a complaint is filed and a subpoena issued. She has never issued anything even close to a threat. We are construing the allegations that she has called your ministry and harassed you, as completely disprovable when your cell phone records are pulled. There will be no numbers from her cell phone, nor will your number be on her record since she doesn't have it. Since blogging, even under different names, is not illegal, you got nothing as usual. Good game though, but we are top notch thinkers. Guess she really got your goat old boy.

Anonymous said...

You can't force one particular someone to stop blogging or you have to force ALL the bloggers on here who said unflattering things to stop also. Filing charges for what, by the way? The only charges that can be filed are threats implied or actual of physical harm. And they don't exist. That's the LAW buddy. You need to grow up already.

Anonymous said...

Google 'Michatek' actually Michatek,a name mentioned in the abominable Italian as the 'contact'. It's a call center and business group. Is this your Watergate deep throat connection? Hahahahahahaha!

Anonymous said...

Company Name: MICHATEK, K.S.
Detail : Casting, steel
Address : Priemyselny Park 1 071 01 Michalovce
Country : SLOVAKIA
Telephone : +421-56681-91-80
Fax : +30-210807-69-20
Guess someone from Slovakia is on the job!
The stuff being blogged here has become so ridiculous it's not worth even looking at anymore.

Anonymous said...

anon wrote, and I copied;

This is not Carman,so don't start that nonsense, this is a staff member for both ministries. Carman does not go on these post boards and Carman never will. I should not even look at them myself, they are the same poster wanting attention from everyone that will give it to her.I have dealt with your kind before, it ended when we pressed charges.


Like, a 'staff member' for both ministries, like Carm's and the Madam Minister's? Not likely. Press your charges but first decide what jurisdiction since this is an interstate issue. Give everybody a break and flake off.
So everyone who blogs is looking for attention? How you figure? No one on here really knows who anyone else is and will never meet anyone. So where's the big attention thrill factor? Many of the blogs are theology and law related. Big attention grabbers for (not) for aomeone. LOL

Anonymous said...

eat dirt.

Anonymous said...

so carman doesn't read these blogs?
right. and if he didn't, why would he have people fronting him or interpreting what other's are saying. especially women who tell him, that any real confrontation or accountability is of the devil?

carman is a grown over 50 year old man. he should read what people think or say. he is not above it all and especially with his new disgusting movie he shows he's able to take it.

he just doesn't want to. too selfish and too out of reality about himself.

vada should give up and get busy with her own life and stop lying too about carman's finances and character. she is a bad witness with her strange banner of carman's victimization but never telling anyone or herself the whole truth about carman's life and morality.

if she were a true friend and a real Christian according to the Bible she would hold him accountable and be a rebuke sometimes, not just bizarre fan and almost nut job about his identity.

hey vada, call carman on his cell phone that he can't stay off of, and tell him to read this blog and any blog about him. it's his business far more than yours.

you being mad about weird girls and insistent women who are nearly violent is perfectly okay. but the Bible tells you..."Be angry and sin not.". where is the balance you and your husband should be a model of?

where is love and real restorative prayer. not soulish cursing and condemnation. shoot, you can find that in islam or bhuddism or wicca.
how are you...LIKE Christ our Lord?
ever put Him above carman and hold carman to real Biblical standards?

doubt it. it's hard to be in a delusion and fantasy and be unbalanced and then be righteously truthful and NON enabling.

"They that worship GOD...must worship HIM in spirit and in truth." Bible

krispy creme lover.
but not a chubbo.

Anonymous said...

UM Changing Hands movie?

From a website a while back:

Carman Bio - ChristianMusic.com
The multi-talented Carman is a Christian music artist / song writer / evangelist / actor who has dominated the Christian Music scene for years with his "story songs."

Usually, taken from sermons he has heard, he composes songs that not only teach us a lesson and give us a message, but stick in our heads. "The purpose of my music is to engage the entire body of Christ, and the family, because my audience has always been a family audience. It has been my purpose from the beginning....."

Okey Dokey Carman.

Anonymous said...

Of course 'Gwen' will be accused of writing all these posts. Josh, why not show ip addresses so this lying about her can be cleared up? She is alive and well and got hitched in Israel, and has told us she may move there forever because she would be an instant Israeli citizen. Her hubby though not too fond of this idea. Anyway, I appreciate other bloggers coming on here and rebuking Carman but guess what? I don't think it's doing anything for the good at all. At least from my limited perspective. He just keeps sending haters back.

M.Pieper

Anonymous said...

POSTED BY AN ANONYMOUS PERSON ON THIS BLOG AND REPEATED HERE:
'Yes ,Gwen's doctrine is cultish, or should I say Gwenish, because it centers around her and her alone.
Gwen, crawl back under that rock you crawled out from under. She is not pretty in the face, people. What is a plain give away that these posters are you, Gwen, is this, no one has photos of you, public, anywhere, for them to view.
Now,Gwen, this ends. Stop calling and bothering Carman, Charlean, and anyone else you are whining to over the phone, that is over a ministry.'

'Gwen' has no cult following nor is she cultish lol. She's well versed in cults and even read all the way through Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin which is a very hard book to get through. Her doctrines revolve around the King James Bible, so go to Jesus on that one. She is very pretty in the face and more important in the spirit, where God looks. She doesn't have Carman's phone # to call him and wouldn't if she did. She has a husband who is considered Calvin Klein model material who got saved recently. She had a Flickr photo page up for like a week or two while she blogged here but her husband made her pull it down. The blogger who wrote that junk about her looked at those photos and knows they were there. Also G. openly showed her face on Facebook so that blogger contradicts themselves by saying she's not pretty, how would you know unless you saw her photos? The lady who says she's over a ministry posts against Carman anonymously but then switches and defends him. She actually is the person who we first heard about Changing Hands from, she told G. about it via phone then posted the link on Weird World of Carman. She is trying to defame G. (or is it Carman or both of them together) for having the guts to not only blog the truth but to put her face on it like she did on Facebook and Flickr. G. isn't calling anybody over a ministry to whine because mostly she has no belief in or respect for most ministers. So lady minister you are wrong, wrong wrong and wrong again. I saw your pics and yeeegads G. is a #1 A-list movie star by comparison. This blog is repeating the same content over and over. May be time to quit. CDL ain't worth the time.

M. Pieper

Anonymous said...

POSTED BY AN ANONYMOUS PERSON ON THIS BLOG AND REPEATED HERE:
'Yes ,Gwen's doctrine is cultish, or should I say Gwenish, because it centers around her and her alone.
Gwen, crawl back under that rock you crawled out from under. She is not pretty in the face, people. What is a plain give away that these posters are you, Gwen, is this, no one has photos of you, public, anywhere, for them to view.
Now,Gwen, this ends. Stop calling and bothering Carman, Charlean, and anyone else you are whining to over the phone, that is over a ministry.'

'Gwen' has no cult following nor is she cultish lol. She's well versed in cults and even read all the way through Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin which is a very hard book to get through. Her doctrines revolve around the King James Bible, so go to Jesus on that one. She is very pretty in the face and more important in the spirit, where God looks. She doesn't have Carman's phone # to call him and wouldn't if she did. She has a husband who is considered Calvin Klein model material who got saved recently. She had a Flickr photo page up for like a week or two while she blogged here but her husband made her pull it down. The blogger who wrote that junk about her looked at those photos and knows they were there. Also G. openly showed her face on Facebook so that blogger contradicts themselves by saying she's not pretty, how would you know unless you saw her photos? The lady who says she's over a ministry posts against Carman anonymously but then switches and defends him. She actually is the person who we first heard about Changing Hands from, she told G. about it via phone then posted the link on Weird World of Carman. She is trying to defame G. (or is it Carman or both of them together) for having the guts to not only blog the truth but to put her face on it like she did on Facebook and Flickr. G. isn't calling anybody over a ministry to whine because mostly she has no belief in or respect for most ministers. So lady minister you are wrong, wrong wrong and wrong again. I saw your pics and yeeegads G. is a #1 A-list movie star by comparison. This blog is repeating the same content over and over. May be time to quit. CDL ain't worth the time.

M. Pieper

Peter said...

Pieper, I heard the messages Ms. Gwen left on the ministry answering machines and they are saved. Would you like a copy? As for Char ever bloging agaisnt Carman your a fool, she has not and as for Gwen bragging about being a RAVEING BEAUTY she is not. Char has never once commented on her looks and bragged over anything. That is simply not cool, not lady like, and very uncouth. Its arrogant and very deaming. Get a life, no one has married Gwen and no one would have her old butt. Why dont you crawl back under the rock with the other 1500 names Gwen is using trying to convince everyone its not her. Show a marriage certificate and if she is marry GOOD RIDENCE maybe her husband can keep her occupied and off the internet, oh wait not happening cause no one would marry her arrogant, self centered, ego maniac, ugly butt. To have any diaolog with Gwen is a one way conversation about how much SHE has done, the MEN SHE has had, how Beautiful and ripped SHE is and how she is right over everything and any opinion you have does not count because she is always right over everything. She is a egotistical butt and I pity any man that is caught in a relationship with someone that stuck on themselves. Pick on someone who has not had conversations with her. Oh Gwen pick another name, because I know you will. You dont have a life, as the poster said before, go eat dirt.

Peter said...

Oh by the way Char only post under her real name and her real GMAIL address. Char has never posted on this post board under a different name. That is why her name is BLUE and she can take down her post. She has never posted against Carman and never will BUT she will fight wantabee brides and women who think they are CALLED BY GOD to be something in Carman's life when that is not Biblical. When Carman said Gwen,I dont remember you, she went on a rampage to discredit him in everything all because he didnt remember her.

Anonymous said...

'Peter' I thought we were rid of you? You have the first post and even Josh said adios. You are not Peter, but could be only one of two or three possible people. And yes, i'd love to hear your non-existent messages on an answering machine.you come across as very evil, very very evil. She never called Carman's ministry, why would she? To hear a go-between? she don't want any contact with this person, not even on here.So what if Carman doesn't remember someone? I think she was posting about him on Facebook long before he made that statement but then he in another place says he does remember her but she meant nothing to him. Whatever. So at like 57 he's still without anyone after all the women.Dealing with schizos is not my line. People who are exposed oughta come clean, not get on boards themselves and lie. Beyonce has so many posts making fun of her but I doubt she's on there fighting back lol. S for "Gwen" looking a certain way or whatever, you sound envious. You say in one posts she's muscular (so where does 'old butt' come into play when it's rock hard and lifted?) You go eat dirt, whoever you are. And that lady minister posted in her own name until people began to call her out on her posts, then she slid back into anonymous posts. You are like a bunch of nasty schoolyard bullies and I don't see the need to answer your retarded lies again. And I'll rephrase what I said, "Gwen' IS an A-lister.

Also, like others have noted, why don't you call out the many other bloggers? They are real and Josh needs to start showing IPs like FactNet did so thes accusations will stop. LOTTA OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THE OLD BOY, AND THEY BLOG.
Congrats to the newlyweds still in Haifa. Yes, a great looking younger guy married her. A guy lady minister was drooling over.
Adios freakshow,

M.Pieper

Anonymous said...

Why does this Char person feel she needs to fight other women about Carman and that they are not Biblical when he's not Biblical either? That's downright NUTS in and of itself. LOOK at what you are writing, it's whacko stuff. I'm definitely not interested and none of us who used to post care a fiddler's frick anymore so go bug other bloggers, we won't be responding to any more insane comments. The GUy is not worth all of these words.

MJ Pieper

Anonymous said...

Pete sure knows alot about what Char thinks and does. Maybe he's either doon her, doubtful and scary thought, or IS HER? And yes Char your on lotza other blogs using fake names. Hunni get help, meds, something. You make life a hell for mentally well people. Maybe Carman's 32 year old kid who lives with you can transfer some of his genes into you and you can be a clone of him. Isn't that what you really want? To be Carman, and also you believe you're the one who was called to marry the guy, that's why you hate and harass any othr woman you get a hold of who ever even stood within ten feet of the guy. Someone blogged be careful who you add on Facebook it could be CHAR!

KNoelleYoung

Anonymous said...

Josh shut this down. It had some merit but now 'Peter' and crazy comments are showing up. Shut it down to more comments but please keep the ones up that are up?

Anonymous said...

what should be shut down?
carman's lies.
his compromised example.
how?

him repenting and confessing as an example of God's forgiveness that other's can look to. or his apology for ChangingHands.

josh is being used by God and doesn't even know it. obviously God has a plan for Josh and his life. all of you should be respectful of that.

is carman more valuable than josh?
are you?

live the Bible that you read.
transform into the character of your Savior and be a much better person. all of you.

a basic Christian.

Anonymous said...

Peiper Pee Head, can ya keep your posts SHORT. Man you give us a headache.

If Gwen is Kairos then WATCH OUT.
Really weird.
Also that I forget who you are thing...Carman does that to people period. Wise up.

Pray for him and stop focusing on women old, young and in between. Some people don't married in the Body of Christ until after 50. Why? Who knows, but its a pattern with ministers. NO NOT ALL Ministers.

Fact Net? What's that? Why would you want to show IP's? That's rude too. Invasive. And you can block or use a service that hides. You want IP's so you can get some kind of revenge? Josh doesn't have the IP's you dimwitt.

Stop trying to manipulate him.
It's infuriating how you hillbilly Christians from daffy churches in strange little fringe ministries or Carman Fans, try to "rule" the day and others. Be humble for a change will ya!?

You are also making Carman look bad. As though he doesn't do that enough for himself.

Instead of attacking Gwen and debating her physical virtues YUK why not debate the lifestyle of the man who is now defiling families and children? Carman could easily come on to FACEbook and say that it has a redemptive ending or that he is sorry.

And what the dander is all of the angst about discussing other 'stars' in that movie. Must be someone who is guilty. Like who knows....CARMAN????

Tell him to find a roomate for Phil. They're relationship is just a little strange.

Why does anyone want to hang on every emotion that Carman feels about that cat? Taking a shower with it, crawling to it, looking for it day and night, sleeping next to it. Get me outta there. MEOOOOOOOW.

Dog Liker
UM But not like Carman LOVES his cat.
Matt

Anonymous said...

Dern it! I should have spelled things correctly. A thousand pardons please.

UM like They're instead of Their.
Other things. All of the genious level folks here can figure it out and have a good cheap laugh. You do. You do - do that. Nice pack of Christians.

Good thing you don't have to be perfect to escape Hell.

Good thing that there is hope for the Carman. OH please tell us he is sorry for that bad bad bad film. Is he SO DESPERATE THAT HE CAN'T FIND WORK ELSEWHERE?

Does he not notice that he is a poor actor? What about that story about Keli from the tanning salon in the Carolinas is that true?

Doesn't the dude know that tanning beds are dangerous to your health?
Why does she use stars as her price points like modern day brothels?

The more one finds out about Carman, the more you want to run for your life and find someone normal and strong in the Lord who ministers.

Anyone called TBN and asked what they think of the movie? Maybe they will air it on one of those Fridays he is supposedly flown in and is the featured minister. Cringe Cringe Shudder.

Unless he legitimately repents and stops testifying about being a victim. Not only to women, but to ministers who didn't support his sinful lifestyle. Who should support that????????????

Former employees of his ministry?

Teetotaller
Matt

Anonymous said...

Reason I said show ip addresses is to end the accusations that "gwen" is the only one posting here! Invasive maybe but what isn't at this point? Fact Net was a forum that exposed Carman years ago and ip addresses were shown so that people could not be accused of being multiple bloggers, etc.
My posts are long (?), look at the guys above me! And why feel the need to call me a hick Christian? I could run circles around your lame azz anyday, Carman. Anytime, anyplace, anywhere. And yes, I'm KAIROS!!!! Cat's outta the bag and it ain't Phil!

M. Pieper

Anonymous said...

Yo Matt, you even spelled 'GENIUS' wrong while calling the rest of us dummies and a 'nice pack of Christians'. Since when do we run in a pack? Frankly I keep my back to the wall when someone claims to be a Christian. Christ said FEW would really be HIS. Get it? FEW.

BTW my IQ is 164, can you beat that?

Love, Kairos making Gyros

Anonymous said...

Matt, you're a tweaker. You rant against Carman then say pray for him (forget it, this pray for him thing is a decade old already) then say bad stuff about him. The meth giving you MPD? And I hear you're sticking it to that little female doggie. You're a flake and a hypocrite. No one's attacking Josh or trying to manipulate him. Just suggesting he notices that the posts are ridiculous and redundant. And why the YUK after Gwen? She wouldn't give you the time of day, the little redhaired fox that she is. I am a buddy of hers and see that wherever we go she gets double takes, and not for being ugly. I'm a man, not her man, but a good friend of his also. He thinks the whole nine yards of this is nuts and it's a miracel he received Christ in spite of what he's seen on these posts. he had to get drunk to post.
BTW illiterate. You even spelled DIMWIT wrong.You need a ghost writer.

Love n Kisses M.PiepEr Pee Head aka Hick aka Kairos aka FBI Agent on your case.

Anonymous said...

Gee Pee Pee think anyone will notice you spelled miracle wrong on purpose? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Anonymous said...

OH YES THAT CHICK IS HOT, YOU SO CALLED MEN WHO GO FOR CHICKS THAT LOOK LIKE LITTLE BOYS.

WHAT DOES THIS TELL ME ABOUT YOU , THAT YOU NEED A PED-O-CURE!

SHE HAS FRONT SHE HAS BACK SHE HAS GREAT LEGS AND AN AWESOME RACK
SHE HAS HAIR LIKE FIERY FLAME
AND BIG BLUE EYS AN WHATTA SHAME

SOMEONE WROTE A SONG FOR HER AND THIS IS NOT LIES,

THEY SAID SHE HAS EYES OF THE BLUEST SKIES.


WHICH KENNEDY BABE? ALL OF EM ARE DEAD WAS IT JOHN JOHN/ BET IT WAS, U WOULD A BEEN HIS TYPE.

JUST A HORNEE FAN FROM THE FACE BOOK FRACAS, RASHID PATEL, AND DONT TRY TO COVERT ME AGAIN JUST BECAUSE JOE FELL FOR IT, NOT ME.

JAI GURU DAVE AND JOSH HAS IP ADDRESSES ALL BLOGMEISTERS DO

Anonymous said...

who cahhrss about da spellink.
you is all crazzzi.

matt
pete
josh
pee pee
kairos
gwen
vada
charlene
darlene
maggie
saggie
jaggie
laggie
mozzie

poor ol phil. hez jus a kitty cat.
leaf him alone.

carman?
he a?
huh?
what?
did you say somethinn?

josh ain't got no ip.
he's juz a blogger dude.

charlene i luv you. whill you marrie me? oooo girl you make me dizzy.

pant pant pant.
gwen.
she thinks she is the chosen one who will go to Heaven with only a few. why did the Master Jesus say, many sheep do I have that are not of this fold? why did He descend into Hell and set those souls free?

why the GREAT COMMISSION? do yous know it. canz you quote it?

goodnight girlies and bad boys.

the best person in the universe.
besides carman.
and josh.
and joe jones.
and nancy anne.
and mrs licciar.
and sandy.
and and and and and.
guess i'm not all that special when you come to think of it.
but my spelling is atrocious.
cuz i ain't no genious.

cya
micky

Anonymous said...

hey josh have you ever heard of Pere Ubu? Or the ministry I Am Second with former Korn member?

Julie

Anonymous said...

Hi Josh, would you please prove this one way or the other? I have a blog on the same website and have no access to incoming IP's.

I've been to Fact Net and it's a pit in some ways and then it's pretty cool when it comes to identifying cults and things like that. good and bad. but not Christian at the base.


Is this true?
JAI GURU DAVE AND JOSH HAS IP ADDRESSES ALL BLOGMEISTERS DO.

Betty

Anonymous said...

HEY GOOFS. I HAVE GOOD FRIEND IN MINISTRY WHOSE IQ WAS TESTED AT...200. SERIOUSLY, BY A JEWISH PSYCHIATRIST. HE WAS BLOWN AWAY AND USED THE TESTING IN STUDIES IN CHICAGO AND SOUTH CA.

SO YOU WITH THE 164, BIG DEAL.
CARMAN IS VERY SMART. NOT MAYBE EMOTIONALLY, BUT HIS IQ IS HIGH MADAME.

GO FISH.

Anonymous said...

Biblically illiterate ignoramus, Jesus set the souls of the righteous dead free from Abraham's bosom when he descended into the underworld. Now they're in Paradise like the thief on the cross next to Jesus was told he'd be that very day. Jesus did not free the damned, you dork.
What version you read, Carman? The 'CDL version 'Corrupted Demented Lies' manuscripts? Jesus said the strait gait would only really be found by few. and you were what is considered a minister? No wonder Christianity is mocked. Go marry the chick, you two are a perfect match. She believss you will and has hung on for years. fact Net was lame in some but it got the truth out bout Carmanello.

Anonymous said...

IQ 164 is still in the 1% percentile, baby-wipe. 200 is very rare. So tell us oh wise one, what was Einstein's IQ? Carman may be 'smart' but he ain't wise.

Bet money he's very much intrigued by his chief female detractor but won't admit it. She's a piece a work alright. Only a great man could handle this one. The other one, Scarred or Charred or what ever her name is would have me walking around with an emergency barf bag.

The Galloping Greek, Keriosky

Anonymous said...

Bozo, the many sheep He had not of this fold meant the ones who died believing in Israel's God befoe Jesus came, and the prophets, and the ones to come in the Church age. HERMENEUTICS. The study of interpeting scripture using other scripture and IN CONTEXT.

Anonymous said...

Sure, Perry Ubu Como and The Kornys were all the rage during the 50s. And the Jewish headshrinker who tested the guy's IQ and it was 200, did he shrink the head for posterity? LOL on some of theses bloggers. Heard some supposedly big Christian believer guy screaming at a Christian woman yesterday that WOMEN SHOLD BE SILENT, but he was trying to interview her for a sales job. So she said HOW CAN I BE SILENT AND TALK TO PEOPLE TO SELL THEM? Tell ya, it takes all kinds. Most of the apples in the basket are actually nuts, not apples. Women are only supposed to keep a low profile by notbeing PASTORS, or usurping men's authority in the church, etc. This guy was a misgynist using Christianity to bolster his sick views. Ummm, sounds familiar on this blog too.

Moishe Steinman the Shyster

Anonymous said...

MISOGYNIST is what I meant. Means woman hater. So BTW we are all waiting for the court orders, copies of the tapes made to these two ministries by the harassing female, etc. Where is all of it? Clouds without water.

Anonymous said...

@ Mickey

your post definitely qualifies for 'most stupid' on this blog. And we know ya cain't spell, Carmine.

Peter Wilson said...

Again, welcome to the Gwen blog.... she tries to convince everyone how great she is and how pretty she is, if you were so great you would not have to convince anyone to say anything in your defense. Your not a Kardashian, Gwen, those girls, even though they are not saved, are very beautiful. You are not. Who ever said show the tape of the message and said it did not exist and said she had never talked to CWO OR CDC Ministries and left a message, how do you know? UNLESS, your Gwen, just like I said you were, and I said to start with, Welcome to the Gwen Blog.

Anonymous said...

Kardashian chicks had mucho plastic surgery and are mega bimbos. Your taste is where you sit, buddy. In the 'upper US'. (Nice way of saying up your a**)Leave this woman alone she's not even blogging here anymore. She's supposed to be in camel jockey land with Romeo. So what if someone knows info maybe they're her friend and/or can read the blogs? Also it's obvious to even an outsider that alotta lying against her is going on to take the heat off Carman. People threatening court orders and accusing people of calls to ministries, etc. Lotsa bull.Real kindgergarten prime time losers. I have a feeling GWEN (NEWG backwards)is laughing at you Carmanitis. Whoever said IP addresses should be shown has the right idea. I remember her with another name, started with a G also from Facebook. I thought she was a natural looker, no tons of makeup, not sshowing her body like a hooker. And some eyes like someone said, huge and ocean blue. I might have added her, don't remember. Anyway, go away Peter kid, you bother me.
Let's get back to Carman and what a fart smeller, I mean, asmart feller, he says he is. Yowza. Dazzle us boy.

W.C.

Anonymous said...

A HORRIBLE SHAME THIS BLOG IS. BUT ALL HIS FAULT THAT IT EXISTS. HE COULD STOP IT WITH ONE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE'S BEEN WRONG BUT INSTEAD COMES HERE AND BLOGS SOME CRAZY STUFF. GUESS HE'S OUT OF WORK ALSO. CARMAN, WE HAVE A BASEMENT IN OUR JERSEY HOUSE YOU CAN HAVE, BUT NO CATS ALLOWED.

Anonymous said...

Wow, the Kar-trashians! Isn't their father that crooked lawyer who was involved in OJ's trial somehow? Nice. Great example of women that God's men should admire.
Anyway, God looks at the inward person, not on the outside. I've met good looking people who got ugly the minute they opened their mouth. I've met plain people who got more beautiful as I got to know them.

Anonymous said...

Crooked lawyer? Is there any other kind, LOL?

Anonymous said...

All these poster one person Gwen Gwenevier Prissial and the many anons and the many other fake names on here Josh dude this is a one poster blog that chick gwen the ugly one that is still on here making everyone think she is over seas. you should wipe the slate clean and start over, unless you like that everyone thinks she is over this blog of yours.
as someone mentioned before welcome to the gwen blog.

Anonymous said...

@ Poster above: that must mean you too are Gwen lol since you say she is everyone one this blog, right. You jealous of her everyone KNOWS. There are more people on this blog than one person. And she must be sooooooo pretty because all Carman fuglies are always calling her ugly. So it must be opposite. Where can I see photo of you?
You get yourself offa here if you don't like it.

Anonymous said...

"All these poster one person Gwen Gwenevier Prissial and the many anons and the many other fake names on here Josh dude this is a one poster blog that chick gwen the ugly one that is still on here making everyone think she is over seas. you should wipe the slate clean and start over, unless you like that everyone thinks she is over this blog of yours."
as someone mentioned before welcome to the gwen blog.

November 8, 2010 6:58 PM

Ok, making 'everyone think she is overseas'? Whoever you are, this statement contradicts itself. "Everyone" must mean you know there are other bloggers here besides this person. And if you're not this person, that includes you.
Why do you keep calling this person ugly? Do you think that will make you any prettier? Also, she must be Vade, Pete, and everyone else too? Go finish up at the bong or crack pipe.
Carman and the other woman, the false prophetess minister, are known to use multiple names, etc., on blogs. Carman is blogging here not using his name. Until further notice it's a free country. Some people choose to use names but mostly this site is set up for anonymous posts. So you are talking nonsense.

Anonymous said...

pere ubu is a band dork.
why so scammy?
stop the name calling dunkin lover.

if you know the Bible then you know calling people names is not really very Christ like.

gwen reeks.

who yelled at who about what? you are saying carman yelled at someone who was a woman?

carman's problem is with his Id. his mom made him a woman hater due to breaking down his every boundary as a kid and then making him a surrogate hubby. the emotional incest is deep deep deep.

unless the brother goes to some really good therapist like Dr. Townsend, (who works with celebs) and faces his underlying issues, he would not be a good spouse.

let alone the ever always strong VICTIM ACT.

nighty night

Anonymous said...

you reek 'brother'. what a hypocrite. you're a multiple poster yourself. and probably multiple personality disordered too. how about your id(iot)?

Anonymous said...

oh 'brother' READ the post about the man yelling at the woman. it has nothing to do with Carman. you need to lay off the crack pipe. so you can read and comprehend these blogs better.

Anonymous said...

what's a band dork? new type of thingy to put around the head while jogging? ease up on yours. it's too tight. must be squishing the few brain cells you have left. your posts are inane.

Anonymous said...

oh shut up and go to church.
stop calling people hypocrites and what the heck do you know?

mulitiple personalities? LOL um the person wouldn't really know what they were posting or would forget it.

please don't imagine that this current blog is worth the time and effort of any one of importance.

crack pipe? you are so stupid.
meds? you need them. takes one to know one and a bigger one to say it.

go to Kaiser Permanente and have a procedure poorly done. then ask divorced Benny Hinn to pray over you.

do you have a life? go live it.
your posts are the most stupidist.
you smell and your super fat and double jiggly. walk it off. cut your calories.

tell carman to stop being the world's greatest liar Christian singer BAD ACTOR.

helluvaguy

R Girard said...

Vision from the past
As you see yourself floating to shore
Tragedy that the water depth wasn't
Three feet more
Diving from the cliff
Never thought it would come to this
Incoherent utterance
"Don't move the body like this"

Years later in the metal chair
Passing day after day
Bitterness permeates everything I do and say
What kind of God would do a thing like this?
Ruin my life
God's got a funny sense of humor
When it comes to strife

The ways, mind and heart of God
Are certainly mysterious
"My plans are not your plans"
But remember this
That everything I do I do in love
To bring you closer to me
No matter what your problems or
Your circumstances happen to be

When you put away bitterness
You will see what you have missed


~ Ruminating Virulence
by Tourniquet

Anonymous said...

'you smell and your super fat and double jiggly. walk it off. cut your calories'.
This poster must be Satan's right hand thingy. Super fat and smell? I think you got me mixed up with your mother. I am laughing so hard at your lost, walking dead carcass. Why would I go to church? To meet people like you? No thanks. I don't like the sinister ministers of Churchianity. I'd rather talk to an honest Zen Buddhist than hang with apostates who don't even know which Bible is God's Word.
Thanks for the tip on Benny. I just might look into it. And no thanks for the procedures advice. I don't need any.
If you are who I think you are, there's like ten off the top of my head I'd recommend for you, starting with a rhinoplasty, LOL. Nonny nonny boo boo! Hahahahahahaha! This blog's to the dogs. And if you hate Carman so much, stick to him. Why pick on me, bubba? You don't know WTF I am!

Anonymous said...

http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-israeli-men-%5B1WVMydC_s20%5D.cfm

Oi vey! Forget about Mr. C. who looks like a schmatta by comparison.
Israel is simply OOZING with these guys. All of them are or have been in the Israeli IDF (military) because it is mandatory right out of high school.

Let's go go go single girls and convert these men!

michelle said...

Carman, your music, STINKS! Your record sales are in the toilet, and do you see that no one is interested in commenting about any of your music done by Lisa Piatt Amilcare, (IS SHE TRYING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF OKSANA?) YOUR MUSIC STINKS! ALL OF IT, ESPECIALLY THAT LAME SONG YOU WROTE TO SING WHILE YOU ARE ON TBN, "GLAD TO SEE YO FACE!" WHAT A LOSER YOU HAVE BECOME! Your Voice gives me the absolute creeps!

Be Fair? M said...

This is from a different Michelle to the Michelle above.

Carman may have his issues, but his music is unique and has impacted the lives of many families, and kids. Granted his desire/lust whatever it is to make movies and his poor choice to be in Changing Hands, can potentially impact those families, ministers and kids negatively and he will answer to the Lord for that.

However, his music, some of it, has been prayed and fasted over and has been used by the Holy Spirit and is fun, engaging and preaches parts of the Gospel in a memorable and caring manner.

Your attack is not a constructive confrontation of something.
I wouldn't marry Carman and its too bad he was involved with oksanna. But as far as his music and some of the years of his ministry, it has been truly anointed and a joy.


Michelle

Charlean D. said...

Need I remind you Josh, that posting people's full names other than Carman, which this blog is about is a breach of that person's privacy. Blogger, which is owned by Goggle, is being sued for such an issue, because I just recieved a email stating that fact. It is in your best interest to take down blogs that mention other people's full names as that can be brought up in that existing lawsuit.

Concerned said...

I'm so glad this blog has finally stopped.

Sandro said...

Sorry. Not stopped. His website shows he has no scheduled appearances anywhere in any church for 2011. I consider this a victory for those of us who have perservered in exposing this guy.

Andrea said...

Gayle(real name of gwen and sandro and all the other post she has posted as) Get a job. Leave everyone alone and get a real job.

michelle said...

Man, this guy never ceases to amaze me. He cannot fill up stadiums anymore, he can't even get invited to any of the churches to speak! And now he puts out his latest gimmick to make more money using God's Name, he wants to be downloaded to your cell phone for $4.95 cents per month. Man this guy just won't stop! He's done everything from 1 900 numbers to opening up a paid chat site so that gullible women would pay to chat with him. Now his latest gimmick is he wants to be downloaded to your cell phone and get this, he wants to be your "life coach!" Amazing, he can't stay married for more than a couple of months, he has no business being on TBN, but hey they host alot of questionable people. This guy will stop at nothing to use God's Name to make a buck! Or actually use his name to make a buck! Hopefully everyone is sick of Carman and no one will fall for his latest new gimmick!

michelle said...

"Evil men understand not judgment." Proverbs 28:5

"Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished." Proverbs 13:11

Here is a comment from Carman's facebook page from very astute Christian

Carla Johns Silva To be honest, I too thought it was a little overkill on how wonderful Carman is. Carman is great but that video was too much. In fact, this facebook page is like that too.
Yesterday at 9:17am.

Debbie Cardwell PLEASE READ: 2 Corinthians chapters 6 and 11 all, about the hardships of the Apostle Paul. He was not exalted, honored or rich. There is a message on there for people that are in the money and secular scene with their ministries. PEACE TO YOU!

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." Matt 23:15

That is all Carman Ministries, Carman World Outreach has ever been about, to seduce the gullible and make merchandise out of the souls of men! That video on his website is all about Carman and his latest gimmick with his Mobile Ministry Club is to give him a residual income so that he can continue on with his double lifestyle and his backyard whoring around!

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michelle said...

Carman, you have never been Called by God to do anything your whole entire stinking life. All you are is a Charlatian, like you can really teach people how to get into full time ministry. Only the Holy Ghost is the One who calls people, not you, you stupid mule's ass!

GO BACK TO LAS VEGAS WHERE YOU CAME FROM AND GO SING IN NIGHTCLUBS, THAT'S WHERE TRASH LIKE YOU BELONGS!

michelle said...

Carman in the FLESH

http://www.fmh-child.org/Carman.html

Habakkuk2:3 said...

NO ONE has been shown to have an IQ of 200 Carman! 164 is close to Einstein's estimated IQ. No matter. You're faking cancer and trying to re-invent yourself with a comeback tour using fan's money, how low does it get? Hope the tour is a bomb and all of it backfires. It has to. The time is at hand. Our exposure of you pushed you back for awhile but guess you won't tke no for an answer. You're irrelevant now, go peddle burritos.

Habakkuk2:3 said...

Went to above link posted by Michelle and lo the smart person who exposes Carman used the Word of God King James to rebuke Carman. Wow, what photoshopped, carnal photos, he looks like a plastic computer generated image, a wordly celeb, not a man of God. He looks nothing like those photos!
Thank you Josh for keeping this blog UP and my prayer is that people will again begin to find out what really Carman is all about. Josh, there are real believers and Christ Jesus is real. We are not perfect. Many of us are/were outraged by Carman. There are others like him, far too many, that make a mockery of Christ and the faith.

Veloci said...

Hey 'ANDREA' your Carman idol blogspot seems to tolerate Michelle and others but you're back to Gwen-bashing, in your latest comment. Guess she's a convenient diversion from the truth about your object of worship, Carman. I've read through tons of this garbage from his witchy fans and they were so envious of this beautiful and honestly truthful woman. At least she posted her pics, not photoshopped, natural pretty. She is not every blogger here as anyone with brains can see. She just happened to hit the man where it hurt the most, and she hit hard. The truth hurts and he does remember her, her story was true re: Phoenix and knwowing him and his evil ways back when he treated her like a dishrag. I wish his exwife would have written that book. Without Facebook and MySpace he'd be nothing at all now, no one remembers him from the original fan base or cares. She felt it was time to tell what happened and she told and he freaked OUT. This is known as 'consciousness of guilt' in legal terms. Who am I? Someone who also knows what took place because I was in her life and it really happened.

michelle said...

Bloody and Deceitful men shall not live out half of their days, but I will trust in thee